Illenium on the Music, the Fam, and the Long Run

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Bobby: What is going on? You are listening to Bobby on BPM. And today we actually have a special guest, ILLENIUM. What's up, man?

ILLENIUM: What up, Bobby?

Bobby: How are you?

ILLENIUM: Hanging good.

Bobby: I just want people to know, by the way, we are not doing this physically at the studio right now. We're actually doing this at my home studio.

ILLENIUM: Hell yeah.

Bobby: Yeah. I have ILLENIUM sitting on my couch right now. It's actually kind of freaking me out a little.

ILLENIUM: Nice vibe.

Bobby: Yeah, yeah. I've got a bunch of artist aesthetics and music stuff on my back wall, and now I have ILLENIUM a part of it on the couch, you know?

ILLENIUM: It really adds to the vibe, dude. I appreciate that. Thanks for having me.

Bobby: Yeah, man. So how do you like coming to Miami? You like it here?

ILLENIUM: I love it. Such good vibes.

Bobby: Yeah.

ILLENIUM: We've been here — I don't know, this is probably the fourth time this year. We come a good amount.

Bobby: Yeah, this time of year, bro, it's a little hot and stuff, so—

ILLENIUM: Florida is brutal.

Bobby: Yeah, I know.

ILLENIUM: But screw it, man.

Bobby: Denver's hot right now too, dude. It was like 100 degrees yesterday.

ILLENIUM: Yeah.

Bobby: So you're from Denver?

ILLENIUM: Yes. I've been living in LA — I have a house there, so I've been out there for like the past four months doing the album stuff, but just coming back to Denver.

Bobby: Nice. Want to know who else I think moved to Colorado recently? Tiësto.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, Tiësto. Yep. He lives pretty close.

Bobby: Yeah, yeah. He's a good friend too. He's a cool dude, man.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, he's a good man.

Bobby: What a legend. Such a nice guy, for the legend that he is.

ILLENIUM: Absolutely.

Bobby: Yeah. Shout out, by the way.

ILLENIUM: Shout out. Love that guy.

The SoundCloud Era

Bobby: So, you're from Colorado, and then I want to talk about — when did your DJ career start?

ILLENIUM: I mean, I started producing music in like 2012, 2013, and it was really bad for a few years. Then I was living up in the mountains, just skiing and making playlists — it was kind of the era of blogs, and I just got obsessed with electronic music. Then in 2013 I moved down to Denver, and I got serious into it and played my first shows in like 2014, 2015.

Bobby: Wow. Would you say that was like the SoundCloud remix era?

ILLENIUM: Oh yeah, loved it. I loved the SoundCloud remix scene, and the YouTube pages and blogs — Hype Machine and all that stuff was just roaring.

Bobby: Yeah, dude. The SoundCloud — so I was in college in 2014 and we were on SoundCloud remixes all day.

ILLENIUM: It was the best.

Bobby: Yeah.

ILLENIUM: I feel like you had so much control — you had to find your music, you had to download it, put it on your playlist. It wasn't just fed to you most of the time.

Bobby: So your remix of "Say It" actually was on there, and me and the fellas were rinsing that all the time.

ILLENIUM: Oh, thank you. I love that song.

Bobby: Yeah, we were rinsing that all the time. Dude, what would you say was your breakout song?

ILLENIUM: I think there were a few — the Kaskade remix was the first one to do really well. My remix of "Shark" by Oh Wonder — that was definitely when I made that and really felt proud, like I loved that song, and I think that's the first thing for me that was like, okay, I'm kind of onto something and have a sound. But I think putting Ashes out, my first album, and then The Chainsmokers remix right after that — that time period was for sure when people started knowing and hearing my sound, and I think it started really popping off then.

Bobby: No, absolutely. I feel like that was very appropriate for that time period as well — of what was hype — and then a lot of these hour-long mashups started to happen with songs, and I heard your songs — the Disarm You remix, and then Say It, and then Don't Let Me Down. I was hearing those on hour-longs all the time, including — dude, two friends of mine put them on their big-booty mixes all the time.

ILLENIUM: I know, those big-booty mixes — they slap.

Bobby: They slap, dude. We would just throw that on at pregame and stuff, and I swear, two or three of your songs — at least one on every single one was playing.

ILLENIUM: Hell yeah.

Bobby: That was the time period, bro.

ILLENIUM: Shout out, for real.

Building The Brand

Bobby: Crazy, dude. So, we have a lot of striving artists or producers who want to get in the game, or who are starting early in their career. I think a really cool question right now would be: what were the biggest learning curves you had as an artist?

ILLENIUM: I think for me, it's just going all in on developing your sound — and that can come from inspirations from other artists. When you're first starting producing, you try to recreate stuff you love, in a new format. And then when you get good at that, and you recreate all of these little subgenres, you kind of take aspects of all of that and it becomes your own sound. So I think really learning that stuff, and loving the production aspect — I think the learning curve nowadays is way faster. You can get good at Ableton and good at producing in a very short amount of time these days, because there's just so much information. And then once you have a sound, and you develop a story to tell with your music, I think you just drive it as hard as you can on social media. Today it's all social media, whereas ten years ago it was SoundCloud.

Bobby: Yeah. I feel like a lot of people complain about the social media aspect, but it's a blessing and a curse, right? Because you can post a track and all of a sudden it can go stupid viral, and then your career starts—

ILLENIUM: A hundred percent.

Bobby: —or a bigger artist sees that track online because it blows up, and then they're playing it out, and then you're getting played.

ILLENIUM: You have to have support behind it though. If you just have a viral song, people don't know who it's from, they don't know the artist, the project, or the story behind it. You have to have a story matched with the song, or with your career in general, and it's definitely tough. I loved those older SoundCloud days — it just felt like you focused on the music more, and now you really have to dive into this whole storytelling side on social media.

Bobby: No, absolutely — it's good and bad. Creating a whole brand around the storytelling aspect enables a different skill set, which is frustrating to some people, right, because it's like—

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I'm not amazing at it. I love when I see it done very well — I'm like, damn, they're crushing it. So many good artists, like Disco Lines, John Summit popping off, Dom — all of them have such a good story and good branding, and everything is organic and doesn't seem overdone. I love that.

Bobby: Yeah, they're not forcing it.

ILLENIUM: No, they're just living their lives and they're loving — they make amazing music. So yeah.

Bobby: I feel like Disco Lines is a really good example of the viral thing, because he had the Taylor Swift thing first that blew up, and then his baby-girl song—

ILLENIUM: He was a viral-song guy, and then he developed his brand into being a dope DJ. So honestly, shout out — love you, man.

Life Before DJing

Bobby: Dude, what was your job before you were a DJ?

ILLENIUM: I was delivering sushi. It was nice — I was in college, delivering sushi, that was the last job I had. Before that I worked at a burrito place and a coffee shop, and I worked at a hotel for a little bit in Aspen.

Bobby: Nice.

ILLENIUM: Where I worked at the hotel — I was in the back office watching YouTube tutorials on producing all day—

Bobby: While you were doing your job?

ILLENIUM: Dogsitting. Yeah, dogsitting.

Bobby: Whose dog were you sitting for?

ILLENIUM: Random guests of the hotel.

Bobby: So — I actually dog-sat Melania Trump's dog one time.

ILLENIUM: No way, dude, that is insane.

Bobby: 2012 question — were you driving your own car during the sushi delivery days?

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I had a GMC.

Bobby: Did it stink it up like fish?

ILLENIUM: Yeah, yeah, it was not good.

Bobby: Yeah, it's funny. Oh man, dude. What do you think your job would be if you weren't a DJ, if you weren't an artist?

ILLENIUM: Man, I feel like I could really nerd out on video content, or curating videos, or some sort of graphic design — animating, something on the computer that you can really learn yourself. The more you grind and put in work yourself, the more access you have to stuff, you know? I don't want to have a nine-to-five where I have to report to somebody.

Bobby: No, I can't do that either, man. So you're the type of dude that's disciplined enough to get a to-do list done throughout the day, right, but—

ILLENIUM: But it has to be mine. I want to do all this stuff for a reason.

Bobby: Yeah, I'm literally the same way, bro. Do you nerd out on anime?

ILLENIUM: I do. I've been watching — what's the one — Demon Slayer a lot. And what's the other one on Netflix, the one I recommended to you the other day?

Bobby: Oh, was it Cyberpunk?

ILLENIUM: No, no, not Cyberpunk. It's another kind of demon-slayer-y thing, but it's one season on Netflix. It was fire. I watched Attack on Titan.

Bobby: I mean, dude, I watched that too. I was lucky enough to watch Attack on Titan once it all got released, so I didn't have to wait for it. That show was so good.

ILLENIUM: So good.

Bobby: So good.

ILLENIUM: It was like one big mind-twirl the whole time, dude.

Bobby: Death Note was the first one I watched. I love Death Note.

ILLENIUM: I never saw that.

Bobby: It was so good.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I feel like every kid is classic Dragon Ball Z, you know?

Bobby: I never even watched it. What?

ILLENIUM: Dude, I'm going to start sending you stuff about Dragon Ball Z, dog, because that show was fire.

Bobby: Okay.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, so—

Bobby: I've got to remember the name of this Netflix one that came out recently. It's so good, bro. It was fire.

ILLENIUM: We'll figure it out and plug it in right here.

Bobby: If I have my phone, I'll go—

ILLENIUM: Yeah, yeah, we'll figure it out and plug it in.

Trilogy Shows

Bobby: Dude, so I want to talk about your trilogy shows.

ILLENIUM: Yeah.

Bobby: So, first off, can you explain what it is?

ILLENIUM: Yeah. It's just kind of a different format where I get to play three of my own shows in one setting, in one night, you know? The first year we did it, it was an hour-fifteen-minute first set, an hour-fifteen-minute second set, and then an hour-and-a-half third set. If I was to just go and play for six hours, I wouldn't have the capability to really tell three different stories. I like having the chapters. The first set, I don't play any heavy stuff — it's really just melodic, storytelling, a lot of my older stuff. This past LA trilogy I mixed it up more and put some newer stuff in the early set so it would work with keys better, and I felt like it told a better story. But yeah, it evolves, and then the last set is just insanity with the production and everything. The whole format is just so fun, bro.

Bobby: Yeah. I mean, I know the production's insane because — I've never been to one. I've got to get to one of those, bro.

ILLENIUM: We don't have one announced right now.

Bobby: All right, well, when it does — yeah, I definitely need to get to one. The production looks insane. I feel like something that isn't talked about enough, that fans don't know — how much does it cost for you to put on those shows?

ILLENIUM: I mean, Vegas and LA, we broke even, you know — a lot of these shows are just go as hard as we possibly can. Sean's raising it up — seven, so yeah, like seven mil.

Bobby: Seven million dollars that you put in, right?

ILLENIUM: Yeah. And then as long as you sell a certain amount of tickets, you break even.

Bobby: I think it's really important for fans to know that — they think you're walking away making a bunch of money from those shows, but you're really doing that for them.

ILLENIUM: Yeah. And for myself too — it's such a freeing, cool thing. You don't get the opportunity to play in NFL stadiums otherwise. It's crazy. So if I can do it, I want to make it the best representation of our scene, of the music, and of the work I've put in over the past ten years, and just make it as perfect as I possibly can.

Bobby: So, speaking of which — because you play a bunch of different vibes there — when you're playing a normal set, do you prefer to rip melodic or emotional music, or do you prefer to play headbanger?

ILLENIUM: Depends on the show. Like EDC — this past EDC I played with Slander, we ripped it pretty heavy, like 50/50. Some shows, if I'm playing headline shows, I'll maybe switch that to 70/30 — melodic to 30% heavy. I never like one flow, one BPM for a whole hour and a half — that's just not my thing.

Bobby: So you're not a house music DJ?

ILLENIUM: No, I love some of it, but it's not — I just love the roller-coaster ride of being crazy, dark, intense, and then really weird sound design, get really weird with it, and then have this break of emotional, cinematic, breathing time. I've always just loved that format, so I think all of my sets have it. It's never just one or the other.

Bobby: Yeah. Can I be honest with you?

ILLENIUM: Yeah.

Bobby: I'm low-key a softy. I like melodic stuff.

ILLENIUM: I think a lot of people do. I like getting in my feels, you know — I like that stuff. That's just personally where I'm at. I could get down and headbang, dude, but preferably I like a little melodic.

Bobby: I just feel like the melodic stuff hits harder after some intensity. But that's just me.

ILLENIUM: I mean, hey man, you know better than me, dude. It might just be because I've played all my songs out like a thousand times, so I need to have a payoff.

Bobby: Yeah, yeah, you're a little numb to it because you've just played it all.

ILLENIUM: There's still some songs that I gauge based on how they feel ten years, five years, six years later — it really stands the test of time, playing it out thousands of times.

Vegas Sets

Bobby: Yeah, no facts. So, dude — you're playing here in Miami. You played here last night at eleven?

ILLENIUM: I did.

Bobby: Playing today at Dare, and then you're playing in Vegas tonight?

ILLENIUM: Correct, yep.

Bobby: Tonight. Yeah, yeah. Holy crap. So, do you like playing in Vegas?

ILLENIUM: I do. When I first started — my first shows were in like 2016, 2017 — I hated it. It wasn't fun. I think with Vegas, it's a lot about name recognition, having fans that fill the room, but also having the bottle service that you need for Vegas. Maybe in 2018, 2019, I feel like we really got there with that in Vegas, and then the shows were really fun, because it's kind of expected, people are there to see you, and you get new fans every week.

Bobby: It's an anomaly. Vegas is crazy.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, it really is. But the shows are rowdy and fun, and I feel like I can play whatever I want now. I have a formula in Vegas where it's pretty much: known singable song, banger, banger. Known singable song, banger.

Bobby: Yeah, yeah.

ILLENIUM: Yeah.

Bobby: Because you have average Joes going there too. When I say average Joe, I mean not a true dance music fan, right — they're going to party and they'll know the lyrics to your song. A lot of the time, dude, even giant songs in dance music, average Joe won't even know the artist, but they'll know the song. You know what I mean?

ILLENIUM: Totally.

Bobby: So it's like you play the heavy lyric songs that are really popular, they'll—

ILLENIUM: It's fun too, because then you can take those songs and bring them into a crazy edit.

Bobby: Yeah, edit that thing up.

ILLENIUM: Edit it all.

Bobby: Absolutely. Speaking of Vegas — are you ever going to be playing a Sphere show?

ILLENIUM: Yes, I will eventually play the Sphere one day.

Bobby: All right, all right, Sean — are we allowed to say that?

ILLENIUM: I'm going to get this edited out, dude. This is officially edited out. It's my whole life right now, though.

Bobby: All right. Nice.

Bobby: Just so we're talking — all right, so, I like bass music, but for the sake of the situation right now, let's say I'm a house music bro, right? And you're trying to get me to become a bass fan — what's the song you're playing for me to get me hooked?

ILLENIUM: Oh, that's interesting. That's a good question. A bass song, probably — it's not really a heavy bass song, but the ALLEYCVT remix of No Broke Boys, for sure. That thing's a banger.

Bobby: So good, dude.

ILLENIUM: Absolute banger, dude.

Bobby: I heard that song on TikTok because of the Squirtle.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, it's so good. I've been playing it out every time — it is a bass song, you know, it's pretty intense. I'd say that one for sure.

Bobby: You playing it out today?

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I've been playing it every show.

Bobby: I was talking to some people who aren't really into dance music, and they were like, "I don't really like dance music, but No Broke Boys has been getting me into it." I'm like, dude, it's like a—

ILLENIUM: It's so good.

Bobby: Yeah, it's like an initiation song.

ILLENIUM: What do you think the summer song is — No Broke Boys or Blessings?

Bobby: What do you think it is?

ILLENIUM: Ah, both — depends on who it is. In Europe, they're rinsing Blessings.

Bobby: For sure.

ILLENIUM: Like I told you, I'm going to Ibiza in a week, and I know I'm going to hear that song a million times. There's also this dude in Europe, Kettama.

Bobby: I don't know him, dude.

ILLENIUM: He's this DJ from Ireland that's been blowing up. He's got a lot of sick collaborations, and he's doing a remix of Calvin Harris's Blessings, which is starting to pop too. I think Europe is Blessings, America is No Broke Boys.

Bobby: No Broke Boys.

ILLENIUM: It's impossible — people will not get hyped when they hear that.

Bobby: A hundred percent.

ILLENIUM: It's honestly a cheat code. Shout out to Thad on that, dude. Good stuff, Thad.

Bobby: Crushed.

ILLENIUM: Crushed, dude.

Dream Collaborations

Bobby: So, I want to talk about some collaborations you've done — like Teddy Swims.

ILLENIUM: Yep.

Bobby: So, how did that one come about?

ILLENIUM: That one actually came through — my management team, I think — it was one of those blessings where I just heard a vocal. The BPM was much slower, maybe twenty BPM slower, but it had a lot of the symphonic elements that I kept in the song I produced. It was just a very rough demo, and Teddy's voice was so insane, bro. I was immediately in — the first words out of my mouth were, "Yeah, I need this, I want this song."

Bobby: Dude, so good. What a goat, shout out. All the music I really do love from him.

ILLENIUM: Yeah.

Bobby: So — I actually got tipped on this off camera — have you had a dream collab before that hasn't worked out?

ILLENIUM: The dream collab — hm. I feel like it's always been Skrillex, top one for me, dream collab. Skrillex is the man, but I haven't really tried, like, crazy tried or anything. I just feel like if it happens, it'll happen.

Bobby: So Skrillex is your dream collab.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, for sure.

Bobby: All right, Skrillex, let's get this going, dude — come on, let's do this.

ILLENIUM: He's just the goat.

Bobby: Yeah, no, for real. I also heard that you might have a Martin Garrix collab—

ILLENIUM: Yes.

Bobby: By the way, I want to let you know he's one of my favorite artists.

ILLENIUM: Martin's the man.

Bobby: Yeah, also an amazing producer.

ILLENIUM: Working with him — I was in Tokyo last year, and we just got in the studio, and he's a musical genius, bro. Songwriting-wise, I was blown away. He showed me so many good songs. We've worked probably on three songs, and we just want it to be insanely good, so we're trying to hold out to be top-top. The songs we've done are really good, but I don't think they're as good as we need them to be, so we're still working, we're looking.

Bobby: I'm excited for that. Fun fact — his mentor was actually Tiësto.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I know.

Bobby: Isn't that crazy?

ILLENIUM: Both G's.

Bobby: Makes sense. Nice dudes, Dutch guys — just good guys, man.

ILLENIUM: Yeah. Martin and me are the same age — I always say this, I'm like, bro, he was sixteen playing on mainstages, and I was picking my nose in social studies.

Bobby: I mean, same — when I was sixteen, I was up to no good.

ILLENIUM: Dude, I was picking my nose and trying to figure out how to skip class, and he's out there playing mainstages, not even allowed to stay after he plays because he's underage.

Bobby: Just a prodigy.

ILLENIUM: Literally, dude. It's truly crazy.

Bobby: All right, I want to get into some less serious stuff for a second.

ILLENIUM: All right.

DJ Pet Peeves

Bobby: What is your biggest DJ pet peeve?

ILLENIUM: Biggest DJ pet peeve — when you're playing a Vegas show or some club and it's song requests, people wanting certain songs.

Bobby: So, if they hold up a phone—

ILLENIUM: Yeah, like someone asked me for Bad Bunny the other day in Vegas. I'm like, I'm sorry, but I don't have any. I love Bad Bunny, sick artist, I just don't have any Bad Bunny. I'm not really prepared for that, and I don't know if I should be — maybe I should be.

Bobby: If you come to Miami, maybe, bro.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I know.

Bobby: Bad Bunny, Bad Bunny.

ILLENIUM: I do my thing, and for better or worse, I'm just not prepared for song requests.

Bobby: Yeah. I feel like people need to understand you don't just have every song on your USB.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I know.

Bobby: That's not how it works.

ILLENIUM: No.

Bobby: Yeah, so, everybody—

ILLENIUM: It's okay, I forgive you.

Bobby: Yeah, yeah — recommend one of his own songs if you hold up a sign, you know.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, I'll do that sometimes.

Bobby: You probably have that — I can probably guarantee that.

Ghost Producers

Bobby: Oh, here's a good question. How do you feel about ghost producers?

ILLENIUM: I've always done everything myself, I'm a very hands-on guy. Even making my shows, making my sets, making my record box library — I do it all myself, for better or for worse. Even though it can be overwhelming, I'm a control freak, and I pride myself in doing it all myself. I love that part — that's my passion, making the music. So I just feel like it's fake, you know — it's sort of a lie. For some people it's just the brand, and someone else makes the music. Sometimes the music's awesome, and I can't put hate to it, but yeah — obviously I do all this work, and they're kind of just lying.

Bobby: It's true. I was going to give a scenario, but you're also a huge artist in the space — what if an artist is just traveling and torn, and they're so big that they almost recruit ghost producers to fit their sound?

ILLENIUM: The only good thing I see is that it gives producers a job — ones who don't want to tour like crazy. That's the only silver lining. Some producers just want to be in the studio all day, and that's a great outlet for them, they make money and have a totally stable career. But yeah, I think it's a little fake.

Bobby: Yeah, dude. I know some artists that are big, and they tell me, "Dude, I kind of just want to be a producer instead of a brand."

ILLENIUM: I have really good friends who would totally want that — who'd rather just be producing music and doing their thing. And I'm kind of like, to them, "Dude, I hear you, but you kind of made your bed on this one." You went too far, dude, you got way too many fans now — I don't think there's any turning back at that point. So that's respectable too.

DJ Beef

Bobby: Yeah. Another thing I need to ask you, because I'm not sure if this stuff is ever real — is DJ beef real? Is DJ beef real on Twitter?

ILLENIUM: Sometimes.

Bobby: Because I remember John Summit tossing some shade at you one time — I'm just curious, are you guys planning that, or is that real?

ILLENIUM: No, no. Back in 2019, no — he was just drinking the haterade, bro. I think he actually regrets it — he's made it very known that we're totally cool now, chilling now. But people have different opinions. I make music that's — I really love songwriting, and I like softer, emotional music, and it's easy to hate on that, you know, it has pop aspects. I do a lot of different genres — I make bass music, I make really chill stuff, I make some house on this album. I don't like being pigeonholed, but I think that's an easy target, because I'm not devoting my career to one scene, one genre, the culture. So — but no, no hate to John.

Bobby: Nice.

ILLENIUM: John's super nice.

Bobby: I mean, you guys are both cool dudes.

ILLENIUM: He's a great guy. And he knows he was just being a little bit of a jerk back then. It's all good, bro, we all have our phases — I've been a jerk plenty of times in my life too, so no hate, all good.

Bobby: Nice, dude. All right, I feel like when dudes get into some beef with each other, they always become better friends afterward. It's like the story of life. Throughout my life, I've had times where dudes have tried to fight — when you're in college, it happens a lot, there's a lot of stuff involved that leads to that — and afterward I become really good friends with those people.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, totally, I've had many, many instances of that.

Bobby: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad there's all love in the air, dude. All love.

ILLENIUM: All love in the air.

Bobby: Now, this is my last question for you — what is the craziest thing a fan has ever gifted you?

ILLENIUM: Oh, what's the craziest thing a fan has ever — I feel like when I go to Asia, in China, they give you some crazy gifts. One that's sick — not creepy, it's cool — is this amazing painting I got in China. I can't remember if it was after COVID or before COVID, but it was a full-on, canvas-sized painting of me playing a show. It was from a picture that I had — I forget what show it was — but it was so well done, it was crazy. That was a nice gift.

Bobby: Nice.

ILLENIUM: It was like a huge professional painting.

Bobby: That's what's up.

ILLENIUM: But yeah, there's some other weird stuff — lots of foods, lots of—

Bobby: Culture.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, culture, foods. But that's really good, I love that.

Bobby: You get to experience different things.

ILLENIUM: Yeah, yeah. But I can't remember anything creepy crazy.

Bobby: Yeah, yeah. Well, as long as they're not giving you, like, pieces—

ILLENIUM: Pints of your blood.

Bobby: Yeah, man. They're like, "I scooped up your skin on stage or something," and you're like—

ILLENIUM: "All right, dude, you kind of want to wear my face. I'm scared."

Bobby: Don't do that, guys, all right? That's not cool. He doesn't want that. None of us want that.

Bobby: All right, bro, I'm going to close it out right here, but I appreciate you coming in. All right.

ILLENIUM: Thank you.

Bobby: All right, ILLENIUM, thank you. And you are listening to Bobby on BPM.